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Hello
First of all sorry for writing in english,but i have serious problem with drive me mad:p and probably this forum is the only place when i can find help.

Afther rescuing Mandrag when i back to lvl 1 for opal key the game crash at the moment when he start to speak afther fourth sentence.Dunno if its important but just before this happen i set delays to none <wanted to train efect a bit;p>But using previous saves without doing this dont change anyting
I got a mesage :software failure guru meditation #0000004,06060612

I menage to avoid this to happen only be runing like hell from lvl7 to lvl1 and pick the key before he tell me where the key is,but im afraid it may cause some future problem,dunno if i will be able to finish game cause i omit some events?
Im using Douglas version/fdd/uae



Afther, der Mandrag wenn ich zurück zu lvl 1 für den Opalschlüssel der Spielkrash im Moment rettet, wenn er startet, der afther vierte Satz zu sprechen. Dunno, wenn sein wichtiges, aber kurz bevor das zufällig, dass ich Verzögerungen auf niemanden <setzte, wollte efect ein bisschen erziehen; p>, Aber das vorherige Verwenden speichert, ohne diesen Dont-Änderungsanyting zu tun, ich veranlasste einen mesage:software Misserfolg-Guru-Meditation #0000004,06060612
ich Haushalt, das zu vermeiden, um nur zu geschehen, runing wie Hölle von lvl7 bis lvl1 zu sein und den Schlüssel aufzupicken, bevor er mir erzählt, wo der Schlüssel ist, aber im erschrocken, dass es ein zukünftiges Problem, dunno verursachen kann, wenn ich im Stande sein werde, Spielursache zu beenden, lasse ich einige Ereignisse weg.
Im verwendender Douglas version/fdd/uae

Hi,

i've never encountered this problem - which may be due to the fact, that i always picked the key even before going down to Mandrag (during my fist play of Fate i read about the key in a walkthrough - i know, shame on me...- and after that, i always knew where the key was).
So i am quite sure, that there are no side effects from picking up the key early.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. The community here is *REALLY* helpful and very active.

Tarnim

Great,thx alot.
but ther is one more thing that worry me,afther saving Mendrag from his prison he telling a story about what happen to him etc,in last sentence he say that the key must be somewhere in grottos.
I mean smth is missing here,he remaind quiet afther picking the key
Do u remember what he say when u already have the key?
Anyway i will load old game and come to him with the key:)

About other questien,yeah i have alots but first i want to solve this problem;p

Thx again

Hi,

no, i don't remember, what he said, when i freed him with the key already in my inventory.
But i know, that i finished the game, so i'm quite sure that you can go on..

Tarnim

Heya
Uffff i repeated old saved game and did like u,come to free him with the key in my inventory,and he say exactly the same thing.when i haven't it.
So no im also sure there wont be a problem;)
Its me third atempt to finish this game,and i won't fail this time;ppp

Now i have alots other question;)
The small holes in the walls,can i do smth else axcept closing them?

In dungeons thers alots af chambers in many i found some items ,what about the rest?

In the catacumbs where alarian altar is,on the walls u can find pictures of munk priest cleric jester,its any secret conected to them?
I have some theory about it;pThe altar reward your deeds,and the pictures on the walls showing profesion that if u try rlly hard its possible to finish the game without a single kill?

In the same dungeon thers a place surronded by water its 1 sqm with door,how to get there?
Similiar place its on the 1 grotto level surrounded by lava

Marina,i dont have her in main party,once she have a dreem,is there any side quest with Marina?
What about Ines?
Mkay its enough for now i dont wana scare u;p
But sure more will come:)

poldishon hat geschrieben:Now i have alots other question;)
The small holes in the walls,can i do smth else axcept closing them?

These holes are jokes only. You can look into it and put your finger in. But... these aren't useful.

poldishon hat geschrieben:Marina,i dont have her in main party,once she have a dreem,is there any side quest with Marina?

I would say no. She is useful for Miras Arthan only. Of course she can heal and bring the girls and boys back to life from death and stone. And she gets the master spells early.

...I think we hav a new big task: Translating the Kompendium and other documents into english...

Misha

poldishon hat geschrieben: The small holes in the walls,can i do smth else axcept closing them?

As Misha said, they are just a joke. Rumors say that in one of them you can find an item, but only a character which is afraid of gripping in it can do so. So you have to use those courage potions (are they named like this?) and I never tried it.

poldishon hat geschrieben:In dungeons thers alots af chambers in many i found some items ,what about the rest?

Not in every chamber. There are several maps of the dungeons which show the items to be found. Just look around in this forum.

poldishon hat geschrieben:In the catacumbs where alarian altar is,on the walls u can find pictures of munk priest cleric jester,its any secret conected to them?
I have some theory about it;pThe altar reward your deeds,and the pictures on the walls showing profesion that if u try rlly hard its possible to finish the game without a single kill?

No, you are wrong here. The pictures show the professions that can use a certain item which can be found - see next question.

poldishon hat geschrieben:In the same dungeon thers a place surronded by water its 1 sqm with door,how to get there?

On that level in another section there is a teleport which is activated by one of the switches in the 7. level. This brings you to that field where you can find the item I mentioned.

poldishon hat geschrieben:Similiar place its on the 1 grotto level surrounded by lava

As far as I know, that field cannot be reached.

poldishon hat geschrieben:Marina,i dont have her in main party,once she have a dreem,is there any side quest with Marina?

Nope. That dream is another joke.

poldishon hat geschrieben:What about Ines?

Ines is also a joke. You can take her with you, but she isn't really useful.

poldishon hat geschrieben:Mkay its enough for now i dont wana scare u;p
But sure more will come:)

Feel free!

Sir Charles

Misha
Yea it would be nice to have kompedium in english;)
And even better if this forum would be in english,but i gues it impossible;p
As u mention about kissing,if its possible to Winwood or any others to kiss/touch somebody and get defirent msg than "No i wont do that" or"I think he/she wount be pleasant about it"?


An Charle

About this pictures,missery solved,its look like i have to return to catacumbs:)
But still im wondering if its possible to finish the game without a single kills.Using only hides,pray,bribe,joke,chant etc,gain exp only by talking casting spells,finding treasures and peacefuly solving fights?
About the rest it seams thers alot of jokes in fate

And some new question

How to improve evoking its posible at all?

Spell reveal show hiden treasures but i never get anythin except money,can u get item this way?

Spell soulbound,what the purpose of using it,never happen to me that somebody left from my party or betray me in any way?

The option trade,havent tryed it much but anyway never happen that somebody have smth to sell,they always say the same "i dont trade"or "i dont trade on the streets"?

On what depends critical hits,Toronar hit criticaly most ofthen,and its Winwood who have the highest stats int dex skill so far

Kung-fu,what good its brings?

Mkay thats all for now its time for me to go to work.cya tomorow;p

Hello poldishon,

poldishon hat geschrieben:Yea it would be nice to have kompedium in english;)

hehe, everyone who wants to translate it ... feel free ... i give my permission
I thought about doing it myself a long time ago ... when it was smaller

As u mention about kissing,if its possible to Winwood or any others to kiss/touch somebody and get defirent msg than "No i wont do that" or"I think he/she wount be pleasant about it"?

A Nymph needs 20 charm to do it and always looses 10 charm points.
When she hasn´t enough points, she won´t do it.

About this pictures,missery solved,its look like i have to return to catacumbs:)

The teleporter is on level 5, 4east/3north.
It is activated by using the switch on level 6, 25east/37north.

How to improve evoking its posible at all?

I guess intel and charlevel

Spell reveal show hiden treasures but i never get anythin except money,can u get item this way?

Never used it ... after killing the monsters i´ll know about the treasures.

Spell soulbound,what the purpose of using it,never happen to me that somebody left from my party or betray me in any way?

When a character died too often ( approx 15 times ) he´ll leave the party. But before he gives a warning.
Mandrag left my party after sleeping 20 times in the wilderness ... instead of poor little innocent Marina

The option trade,havent tryed it much but anyway never happen that somebody have smth to sell,they always say the same "i dont trade"or "i dont trade on the streets"?

Olaf said that it is possible. But you can get only minor stuff.
After trying it some time without any effort i gave up ... i´m too impatient.

On what depends critical hits,Toronar hit criticaly most ofthen,and its Winwood who have the highest stats int dex skill so far

I guess exp-points. Later on in the game the chars get more and more critical hits.

Kung-fu,what good its brings?

The possibility to get critical hits increases ... but i think only without any weapons.
But i may be mistaken.

WOW, so many quotations

Bye
Merope

Ello Merope

-A Nymph needs 20 charm to do it and always looses 10 charm points.
When she hasn´t enough points, she won´t do it.

You mean kissing to revive right?,im talking about smth romantic;p

-The teleporter is on level 5, 4east/3north.
It is activated by using the switch on level 6, 25east/37north.

Ahh this must wait till i visit altar next time;)
Sir Charles wrote about the switch on lvl 7,i tryed but nothing happen now i know why;p

-Never used it ... after killing the monsters i´ll know about the treasures.

But u know like in Japainse RPG monster have treasures that u can get only by stilling,drop is defirent thing;)

-When a character died too often ( approx 15 times ) he´ll leave the party. But before he gives a warning.
Mandrag left my party after sleeping 20 times in the wilderness ... instead of poor little innocent Marina

Hehe he shouldn't complain afther begin imprisioned be few years in small room

Hi poldishon,

You mean kissing to revive right?,im talking about smth romantic;p

Ahhh, writing poetry .... thats realy romantic

But u know like in Japainse RPG monster have treasures that u can get only by stilling,drop is defirent thing;)

In Fate you can only steal money ... even from ghosts.
I wonder what they buy with it ?... or where they keep it ?

Greetings
Merope

Dunno:) but they are my favorite mob to kill for money,they drop less money than dwarves but spawns in biger groups what is good for kill count:)

Btw i was disapointed afther my last visit in altar,got only small bonuses.
I have high amount of magic,efects,atacks,hits,on what i should focus to get alot of bonuses?
I scored around 4k items uses but i only get like 2 to wisdom;/
dont tell me i need like 20k tricks ,hides or shoots?:)

Again is time for me to go to work cya tomorow;)

At first you can find a lot of informations in english here.

Well, now to Alarin...

There are four ways in according to Dungeon Master:
the way of fighter

the calculation formula is:
[Hits/32] + Attacks + [Tricks*8]

Attack points you can get well with a melee weapon like the Gords Axe (class 1) or the Warp hammer (class 2).
A Trick is you try to "Dupe" the enemy. Therefor you need a lot of Intelligence or you use a Elementary Spell TIME (short or long). Then you can "Dupe" everybody or everything.

For every way of fighter level you will get
4 improve of one ability
1 Strength
3 Invulnerability

1. way of fighter level : 150 (e.g. 19 Tricks or 18 Tricks + 192 Hits or 146 Attacks)
2. way of fighter level : 245 (e.g. 31 Tricks or 30 Tricks + 160 Hits or 238 Attacks)
3. way of fighter level : 387 (e.g. 49 Tricks or 48 Tricks + 96 Hits or 376 Attacks)
4. way of fighter level : 600 (e.g. 75 Tricks or 74 Tricks + 256 Hits or 582 Attacks)
5. way of fighter level : 920 (e.g. 115 Tricks)
6. way of fighter level : 1400 (e.g. 175 Tricks or 1358 Attacks)
7. way of fighter level : 2120
8. way of fighter level : 3200
9. way of fighter level : 4820
10. way of fighter level : 7250
11. way of fighter level : 10895
12. way of fighter level : 16362
13. way of fighter level : 24563
14. way of fighter level : 36864
15. way of fighter level : 55316

the way of ninja

the calculation formula is:
[Hits/32] + [(Steals + Hides) * 4 ] + [Shoots] + [Throws]

Shoots and Throws only count when the enemy is killed.

For every way of ninja level you will get
4 improve of one ability
1 Skill
2 Invulnerability
3 Anti-shot

1. way of ninja level : 160 (e.g. 40 Hides/Steals or 156 Throws/Shoots)
2. way of ninja level : 250 (e.g. 63 Hides/Steals or 243 Throws/Shoots)
3. way of ninja level : 385 (e.g. 97 Hides/Steals or 374 Throws/Shoots)
4. way of ninja level : 587 (e.g. 147 Hides/Steals)
5. way of ninja level : 890
6. way of ninja level : 1345
7. way of ninja level : 2027
8. way of ninja level : 3050
9. way of ninja level : 4585
10. way of ninja level : 6887
11. way of ninja level : 10340
12. way of ninja level : 15520

the way of magic

the calculation formula is:
[Hits/32] + [Magic] + [8 * Gropes]

Points in Magic you will get when the enemy is killed by a spell or by a Demon you created with a Crystal.
Points in Gropes you will get when the Grope was successful. You do not need to kill the enemy. Grope is dependent by the Magic Strength, only.

For every way of magic level you will get
2 improve of one ability
3 new spells (not for non magic person)
1 Intelligence
3 Magic Power
2 Anti-stone

1. way of magic level : 110 (e.g. 14 Gropes or 13 Gropes + 192 Hits or 107 Magic)
2. way of magic level : 185 (e.g. 23 Gropes + 32 Hits or 180 Magic)
3. way of magic level : 297 (e.g. 37 Gropes or 288 Magic)
4. way of magic level : 465 (e.g. 58 Gropes 451 Magic)
5. way of magic level : 717
6. way of magic level : 1094
7. way of magic level : 1660
8. way of magic level : 2510
9. way of magic level : 3786
10. way of magic level : 5550
11. way of magic level : 8545
12. way of magic level : 12805
13. way of magic level : 19305
14. way of magic level : 28940
15. way of magic level : 43440
16. way of magic level : 65250

the way of priest

the calculation formula is:
[Hits/32] + [Effects] + [Items] + [Enchants]

Points in Effect you will get when use e.g.
Banshee's UNPROTECT
Fairy's or Nymph's CALM
Druid's SILENCE or PASSOUT
Alchimist's ITCH
Witch FAINT!
Another way to get Points in Effect ist the "War Cry" (in Dungeon Master only useful for Lord Chaos) or to "Mock" the enemies.
Points in Item category the enemy have to be killed by the item you used.

For every way of magic level you will get
3 improve of one ability
2 new spells (not for non magic person)
1 Wisdome
2 Magic Power
3 Anti-magic

1. way of priest level : 160 (e.g. 160 Effects/Enchants or 156 Item hits)
2. way of priest level : 270 (e.g. 270 Effects/Enchants or 262 Item hits)
3. way of priest level : 435
4. way of priest level : 682
5. way of priest level : 1053
6. way of priest level : 1609
7. way of priest level : 2443
8. way of priest level : 3694
9. way of priest level : 5571
10. way of priest level : 8386
11. way of priest level : 12609
12. way of priest level : 18943
13. way of priest level : 28444
14. way of priest level : 42696


I hope this will help you with Alarin.

@Merope & SirCharles: Please let me know any comments.

Misha

Heya Misha

Fighter way its easy,but its almost insane to get 15000 trows or~4k steals isn it?:)
About "dupe" from my experience when u can hold enemys by time stop they are rather week i prefer freeze as far any monster can resist it(for now its the only way for me to kill ingrols freeze+dupe = bye bye xD)
Mage and priest its also np,but how to get magic hit on Winwood?;p

About "war cry" in dungeon master it can scare week enemys like screemers,but it may depend on mastery level.And i never tryed it on chaos what is the efect he run?:)

What about step done,talk/kills/encounter/time period does they count for smth else than my joy?:)
And slayed amount or defeated?probably not count for altar but have u or someone tryed to kill all citizens?;p

Thx
This will help me alots,now i know i must stop gathering efects and focus hmmm on trowing;/

poldishon hat geschrieben:Fighter way its easy,but its almost insane to get 15000 trows or~4k steals isn it?:)

Yes thats very hard.
In my last game Toronar had about 350 throws and Winwood about 300. Try to steal! This counts 4 times.
You can find my last statistic here on page 2.
(Fighter = Kämpfer, Ninja = Ninja, Magic = Magier and Priest = Priester
Treffer = Hits, Direkt = direct, Magie= Magic, Listen = Tricks, Schüsse = Shoots, Würfe = Throws, Griffe = Gropes, Bezaubern = Enchants, Wirkung = Effekts, Diebstähle = Steals, Versteckt = Hides)

poldishon hat geschrieben:Mage and priest its also np,but how to get magic hit on Winwood?;p

Winwood and all the other non magic people can grope. Of course, they need a lot of Magic Strength. My last Winwood had 136 Magic Strength and 787 gropes.
For priest level you can use the war cry or items to kill.

poldishon hat geschrieben:What about step done,talk/kills/encounter/time period does they count for smth else than my joy?:)

No only for your statistics.

poldishon hat geschrieben:About "war cry" in dungeon master it can scare week enemys like screemers,but it may depend on mastery level.And i never tryed it on chaos what is the efect he run?:)

I've never tryed it on this way, too. I found this video on youtube that shows the end of Lord Chaos.
There is an other video that shows the first trailer of DM 3. Or it's a fake...

Misha

-Winwood and all the other non magic people can grope. Of course, they need a lot of Magic Strength. My last Winwood had 136 Magic Strength and 787 gropes.

Have u spend any permision to incrase magic power,136 is preaty high for no magic user?

-I've never tryed it on this way, too. I found this video on youtube that shows the end of Lord Chaos.
There is an other video that shows the first trailer of DM 3. Or it's a fake...

Ouch it was rlly fast end of chaos,i always use fire staff to get him corned.But i wonder why the guy using "diamond edge"insted of "executioner"
Dunno if its fake,but its nice anyway;p

Btw i just found glowing sphare,but can't see it in my inventory.What is the use for it,or its another joke?:)

And one more question;p
Angel staff make oponet possesed.What does this status exactly do,i haven't notice any behave changes possesed oponents?

Hello,

Well, now to Alarin...

@Misha: Great job !!
the most parts of the compendium are now translated ... i´m sure you will do the rest
OK, but it is a beginning .... alarian is a very important part.
And your post explains the essentials of it.

@poldishon:

Fighter way its easy,but its almost insane to get 15000 trows or~4k steals isn it?

absolutely insane but with "hide" you don´t need so many steals
you can see/download here

to get good results with "grope" you have to spend some permissions in magic strength ... but it´s worth it.

Btw i just found glowing sphare,but can't see it in my inventory.What is the use for it,or its another joke

from a glowing sphare you get some permissions ( 3 ? )

Angel staff make oponet possesed.What does this status exactly do,i haven't notice any behave changes possesed oponents?

the wisdom and intelligence drop to 1.
So the opponents aren´t able to cast any spells at you ... i hope i do remember it right ... i need to play Fate very soon again

But first i have to finish off Lord Chaos ... without warcry i guess, it´s Chaos Strikes Back.
And yesterday i found the first corbum ... so it´s only a matter of time to end it

Best wishes
Merope

poldishon hat geschrieben:Have u spend any permision to incrase magic power,136 is preaty high for no magic user?

At the beginning you definitely have to. As soon as you start groping, you will also increase magic power during levelups, but slowly. Start groping rats and such stuff. For the stats it only matters to hit, not to cause any effects. These are bonus.

poldishon hat geschrieben:Btw i just found glowing sphare,but can't see it in my inventory.What is the use for it,or its another joke?:)

The character who found it gains 2 or even 4 new spells. Hope it was one of your mages who found it...
Edit: There are also globes which give you ability permissions. It's an either-or.

poldishon hat geschrieben:And one more question;p
Angel staff make oponet possesed.What does this status exactly do,i haven't notice any behave changes possesed oponents?

A possessed opponent is susceptible to critical hits. You will find lots of monsters who don't care about a mindshock, but if possessed they will die. Best way to get those black abbots in the catacombs...

And a few answers to older questions:

I mixed up the location of the teleport switch, sorry about that. But Merope already corrected me on that.

poldishon hat geschrieben:Spell reveal show hiden treasures but i never get anythin except money,can u get item this way?

All my experiences show that the monsters are usually reluctant to drop any useful items. In the final dungeon you might improve your chances to find something good, though. In the castle dungeon the advanced groups sometimes drop pretty nice things.

poldishon hat geschrieben:The option trade,havent tryed it much but anyway never happen that somebody have smth to sell,they always say the same "i dont trade"or "i dont trade on the streets"?

As Merope said, it should be possible, but as far as I know none of our regular players ever had any success. I tried it quite often in the beginning but finally gave up.

poldishon hat geschrieben:Kung-fu,what good its brings?

A character with this ability scores generally more damage. This works with or without weapons. If you are able to use advanced weaponry (which the Ninja may not use) you can forget about it.

Greetings,
Sir Charles

Eya Merope

-absolutely insane but with "hide" you don´t need so many steals Lachen ist gesund
you can see/download here

Dunno what to say about your "fellowship",insane?;p
When i play Fate again maybe i ill try to maximize everything;),but now i wont to see new enemys/location.Never have been in agysium,always stuck when gattering moonwand parts.And my party seams to be quiete stong atm,so i want to go forward and kill Thardam cause not only winwood want to back to reality;p

In Chaos strike back have u find a way to open door to "Death Row"?




Sir Charles

-The character who found it gains 2 or even 4 new spells. Hope it was one of your mages who found it...

Well my main diger is Winwood;p but as i mention abowe i stuck 2 times before,and now im paranoic to details;) If i dont know the purpose of some thing then im leaving it as it is for future investigation:)Like black monolit with i can smash or holes i can close,same goes for glowing sphare.
I just need now to return to that place and let one of my mages to dig it.

-A possessed opponent is susceptible to critical hits. You will find lots of monsters who don't care about a mindshock, but if possessed they will die. Best way to get those black abbots in the catacombs...

Good i have second party that serve as a containers;pothervise i ill trow it away,maybe it come in handy in future,but atm mages can't charm me with 120 anty magic


-I mixed up the location of the teleport switch, sorry about that. But Merope already corrected me on that.

Np i ill return there prolly few times yet:)

-All my experiences show that the monsters are usually reluctant to drop any useful items. In the final dungeon you might improve your chances to find something good, though. In the castle dungeon the advanced groups sometimes drop pretty nice things.

Mkay good to know,i notice that this speel is usefull on monster like frogs or others with dosen't carry money,sthis spell reveal it.

-As Merope said, it should be possible, but as far as I know none of our regular players ever had any success. I tried it quite often in the beginning but finally gave up.

This game is "Hard core"xD

-A character with this ability scores generally more damage. This works with or without weapons. If you are able to use advanced weaponry (which the Ninja may not use) you can forget about it.


Afther geting master spell iprove i can see char/race max stats,so i kicked my human/ninja.
Also now i see that gnomes own here,next time i ill play i ill make gnomish army;p

Hi poldishon,

poldishon hat geschrieben:In Chaos strike back have u find a way to open door to "Death Row"?

not yet ... i asked the oracle about it and it gave me my favourite answer:
"You don`t need to go there to defeat Lord Chaos" and there should be no passage.
Yeah ! ... many thanks for that enlighening answer.
Maybe you have to climb in a pit from the level above.

Greetings
Merope